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> <channel><title>Comments on: Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part 2)</title> <atom:link href="http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:13:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2</generator> <item><title>By: Product Management Metrics (part 3) &#124; On Product Management</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8442</link> <dc:creator>Product Management Metrics (part 3) &#124; On Product Management</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-8442</guid> <description>[...] here it is, looong overdue, the continuation of this series of articles.  I published Part 1 and Part 2 late last year.  I also had part 2a back in May, related to an audio seminar I participated in [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here it is, looong overdue, the continuation of this series of articles.  I published Part 1 and Part 2 late last year.  I also had part 2a back in May, related to an audio seminar I participated in [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Vendetti</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3963</link> <dc:creator>Don Vendetti</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:18:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-3963</guid> <description>From the author:  Thanks Jim and Roger for the comments.   I found this to be an enlightening exercise and didn&#039;t know what to expect when I started it.One surprise was the high expectation of the strategic output from Product Management, but what I observe in most companies are the product managers are committed 110% to daily tactical activities in supporting other groups or trying to put out fires, which they are also expected to be doing.   It&#039;s no wonder product managers struggle with credibility.The expectation with regards to rewards being tied to business results was less of a surprise to me, however I don&#039;t see it used as much as might be indicated by this survey.    It&#039;s not so straightforward both from measurement and timeframe perspectives to be able to influence business results within a given period, especially quarterly but often even yearly.What I hope this exposes is that senior execs EXPECT product managers to be looking out for the same business results that the execs themselves are tied to.   Whether this is fair or not, and whether the PMs can execute on this is another matter.    The product management team needs to be aware of this and creating an environment and objectives that can deliver on them them some measurable way.   Otherwise their credibility, and value, will always be challenged.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the author:  Thanks Jim and Roger for the comments.   I found this to be an enlightening exercise and didn&#8217;t know what to expect when I started it.</p><p>One surprise was the high expectation of the strategic output from Product Management, but what I observe in most companies are the product managers are committed 110% to daily tactical activities in supporting other groups or trying to put out fires, which they are also expected to be doing.   It&#8217;s no wonder product managers struggle with credibility.</p><p>The expectation with regards to rewards being tied to business results was less of a surprise to me, however I don&#8217;t see it used as much as might be indicated by this survey.    It&#8217;s not so straightforward both from measurement and timeframe perspectives to be able to influence business results within a given period, especially quarterly but often even yearly.</p><p>What I hope this exposes is that senior execs EXPECT product managers to be looking out for the same business results that the execs themselves are tied to.   Whether this is fair or not, and whether the PMs can execute on this is another matter.    The product management team needs to be aware of this and creating an environment and objectives that can deliver on them them some measurable way.   Otherwise their credibility, and value, will always be challenged.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part 1) &#171; On Product Management</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3962</link> <dc:creator>Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part 1) &#171; On Product Management</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-3962</guid> <description>[...]        &#8592; Our Presentation at PMEC Battle of the&#160;Bloggers Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part&#160;2) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]        &larr; Our Presentation at PMEC Battle of the&nbsp;Bloggers Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part&nbsp;2) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part 3) &#171; On Product Management</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3961</link> <dc:creator>Guest Post: Measuring Product Management (part 3) &#171; On Product Management</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:30:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-3961</guid> <description>[...] part 1 and part 2 respectively, I discussed the answers I received from company executives on the following [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] part 1 and part 2 respectively, I discussed the answers I received from company executives on the following [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3960</link> <dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-3960</guid> <description>Let&#039;s review what&#039;s happened here, because it&#039;s very interesting.The first part of this series on measuring product management described product management&#039;s value to the company.  Interestingly, not one of the listed values mentioned revenue, profit, or market share.This second part of the series focuses on ways that executives measure product management&#039;s value to the company.  It mentions metrics such as revenue, profit, and market share.What&#039;s remarkable is the disconnect between product management&#039;s value to the company and the ways of measuring that value.Specifically, a product manager could deliver everything listed as valuable, yet the product might still not achieve revenue, profit, or market share goals.  Those goals depend not just on the product manager carrying out the responsibilities listed in the first part of the series, but also on other departments (sales, development, marcom) performing their duties competently.  I should also note that these people in other departments almost never are part of the product manager&#039;s team, at least not in any formal sense.I join Jim in commending this post.  I believe it accurately reflects - and exposes - the disconnect between product management&#039;s value and the way many people believe product management should be evaluated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s review what&#8217;s happened here, because it&#8217;s very interesting.</p><p>The first part of this series on measuring product management described product management&#8217;s value to the company.  Interestingly, not one of the listed values mentioned revenue, profit, or market share.</p><p>This second part of the series focuses on ways that executives measure product management&#8217;s value to the company.  It mentions metrics such as revenue, profit, and market share.</p><p>What&#8217;s remarkable is the disconnect between product management&#8217;s value to the company and the ways of measuring that value.</p><p>Specifically, a product manager could deliver everything listed as valuable, yet the product might still not achieve revenue, profit, or market share goals.  Those goals depend not just on the product manager carrying out the responsibilities listed in the first part of the series, but also on other departments (sales, development, marcom) performing their duties competently.  I should also note that these people in other departments almost never are part of the product manager&#8217;s team, at least not in any formal sense.</p><p>I join Jim in commending this post.  I believe it accurately reflects &#8211; and exposes &#8211; the disconnect between product management&#8217;s value and the way many people believe product management should be evaluated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darrin Johnson</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4621</link> <dc:creator>Darrin Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:40:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-4621</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Thoughts on measuring Product Management part 2 - http://bit.ly/4urNZk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-4622</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Good suggestions - Blog Post - Measuring Product Management pt. 2 by Don Veneditti   http://tr.im/GmJ0 #prodmgmt #innovation /via @onpm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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href="http://tr.im/GmJ0" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/GmJ0</a> #prodmgmt #innovation /via @onpm</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: OnProductManagement</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4623</link> <dc:creator>OnProductManagement</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:06:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-4623</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Blog Post - Measuring Product Management pt. 2 by Don Veneditti   http://tr.im/GmJ0 #prodmgmt #innovation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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href="http://tr.im/GmJ0" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/GmJ0</a> #prodmgmt #innovation</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Holland</title><link>http://onproductmanagement.net/2009/12/01/guest-post-measuring-product-management-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3959</link> <dc:creator>Jim Holland</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:55:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://onproductmanagement.net/?p=3629#comment-3959</guid> <description>Don – this was a great post. As product management often struggles with credibility and managements desire to measure success, each organization finds a unique way (or no way) to measure. Your point on “the expectation level of the senior executives on product management being measured against business results” has to be the catalyst for real measurement.  With “executives heavily dependent on product management for making the right product choices” there’s more pressure on product management to contribute beyond the technical or sales success.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don – this was a great post. As product management often struggles with credibility and managements desire to measure success, each organization finds a unique way (or no way) to measure. Your point on “the expectation level of the senior executives on product management being measured against business results” has to be the catalyst for real measurement.  With “executives heavily dependent on product management for making the right product choices” there’s more pressure on product management to contribute beyond the technical or sales success.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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